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Finding start-up money?
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My husband and I have been selling all new merchandise at flea markets for about 6 and a half years. I have lots and lots of sources for merchandise. My question is this: We usually only have about $200 or so to buy product at one time. I would like to be able to do this on a grander scale. Where does everyone get the money to buy so much inventory? I don't have good credit. So getting a loan or putting it on a credit card is not an option. I look at some of the vendors selling where we sell. Most of them have cars that look like they would fall apart if you touch them and they way they dress, they look like they don't have 2 pennies to rub together. Yet they have thousands of dollars in new merchandise and are selling alot every week. Where do they get the money?
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I would be surprised if the merchandise is stolen. I was wondering about start-up money also. I want to try that book from Matthew lesko, the one about getting money free from the government, like grants...but I read alot of negative stuff about his book. Ofcourse you can go to the library and find it free and just copy the info you need. I want to get a website up, but I need alot of new stuff to do business and then all the money for website hosting and domain names...I just don't understand how these people who say they make money online are doing so when anyone can go to a pricewatch site and find it cheaper than most online stores and Ebay.
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Well remember, lot of those people are selling merchandise purchased on credit cards.
We have tons of customers who are constantly fighting to stuff orders on credit cards which are nearly at limit or trying to stuff orders on 5-6 credit cards since the cards are so maxed out.
Just because they have merchandise and selling doesn't really mean they are making money. They make money which is enough to live by but there credit cards and debts are pretty stacked.
About ads and !@#$ about easy money making online, its mostly bunch of BS. Business takes alot of work and dedication, and even if your lucky to get a business set up and working, if your actually doing GOOD and making money your going to have lots of work to do as customers don't serve themselves. -
I don't know where you sell, but I don't know any flea markets where I live that are week long, so I assume you have another job during the week. That's where I got my money to start buying things. I started buying from wholesale companies here in the US, then when I had made enough I started importing items myself. It was no quick process, but I have more than $200 to buy new products when my items are getting low. You may want to put an ad on here for whatever it is you are selling, you may be paying way way too much.
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I've read a few of lesco's books. Yeah there is money out there, the problem is that 99.9% is for non profit or community improvement !@#$. The best thing to do is to start small, and reinvest your money. The problem most people have is they cash out too much of their profits. To the op if you've been doing this for a while and your only making that much your not selling the right stuff in my opinion.

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mimi37 wrote:Where does everyone get the money to buy so much inventory? I don't have good credit. So getting a loan or putting it on a credit card is not an option. Where do they get the money?
There are basically 4 options to doing this.
1. Get a loan from a lending source, or investor.
2. Max out your credit cards
3. Get the money from a relative.
4. Slowly parlay your $200 into larger purchases.
The line "I don't have good credit" should cancel out 1-3, leaving you with one option. I see no other options. -
Is it possible to get a loan for an online business from the gov? 'Cause I tried but I somehow failed to prove how my online business could generate jobs in my area so they wouldn't do it
Hmmm, maybe the bank might work but I don't have a credit history. -
Creepyjon wrote:To the op if you've been doing this for a while and your only making that much your not selling the right stuff in my opinion.

What is the "right stuff" to you? Everything I have I basically sell out of in a weekend. The other vendors are always telling me I have good stuff and are trying to find out my sources. -
Ok, maybe I'm wrong then. You might have to try a different flea market, there's lots of money out there. It's just a matter of being in the right place with the right stuff.

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It sounds like you are fairly successful with your products at the flea market and you must be making profit.Depending on your financial situation the best thing would be to roll that profit(or as much as you can)back into your business and purchase more product.Even if you only add $25 profit a week back into your $200 budget,that`s an additional $100 a month and over time you`ll have more purchasing power.
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Hmmm. I agree with others thoughts about finding another venue. If $200 is all you can invest at one time, you have to consider how much time you're spending there to make that $200.... If the other vendors are barely making it, perhaps it's just not worth all your hard efforts.
Think about garage sales maybe. They can generate some extra money for you.
But, if your profits still remain in the $200 range, you might want to consider a different location. Perhaps a kiosk in the mall? Perhaps consign some items out to local shops? -
mimi37 wrote: Where does everyone get the money to buy so much inventory? I don't have good credit. So getting a loan or putting it on a credit card is not an option. Where do they get the money?neon wrote:There are basically 4 options to doing this.
1. Get a loan from a lending source, or investor.
2. Max out your credit cards
3. Get the money from a relative.
4. Slowly parlay your $200 into larger purchases.
The line "I don't have good credit" should cancel out 1-3, leaving you with one option. I see no other options.
There maybe another option if you work FULL TIME during the week.
If you have a 401k you can take a loan out sometimes. When you pay this loan back you pay it back with little interest and you are paying yourself back.
You would have to check with your HR Department about the full facts and details.
I do agree with, wholesale4sale:wholesale4sale wrote:It sounds like you are fairly successful with your products at the flea market and you must be making profit.Depending on your financial situation the best thing would be to roll that profit(or as much as you can)back into your business and purchase more product.
Have you tried street fairs? Since your product does so well @ fleamarkets they may do better at street fairs. At street fairs you maybe able to get a little more for your product depending what you are selling. -
I pulled some money out of my 401k with a loan, not bad I can take 5yrs to pay it back and is automaticly taken out of my check. (this years raise).
So I never miss it. -
Am I missing something here?. The original poster stated that she has been selling for about six and a half years at that flea market. I would think in this amount of time she would have been able to save a little more than two hundred dollars given the fact that she claims she mostly sells out in a weekend.
It sounds like maybe her and her husband are living off the money they make at the flea market and do not have any other source of income. Maybe herein lies the problem. I can see only having two hundred dollars to buy new product if this is the case.
As another poster pointed out, most flea markets are not seven day a week operations. Maybe one or both of you getting a job to pay your day to day bills would help greatly.
I have a full time job during the week, I work monday through thursday twelve hours a day, so can put all of the profits from my flea market booth back into the business.
I have only been selling at the flea market for about 4 months so have not really started seeing a lot of profits yet. -
What's missing here is this:
Hours and hours spent on research, buying and then selling. Small profits or selling out, ending the earning potential.
It's like 'busy work" with the same ending. Just a bit to invest....
I highly disagree with anyone who thinks a loan is a good idea. Once you start negative, you'll be backpaddling, but with higher numbers. And NO WAY should you play with your retirement.
The idea was to boost buying power, or come into a bit more money to buy more stock, in order to boost sales. -
I agree that taking out a large loan is kind of senseless. But if I had like $1000 to start out with, I would be able to buy a lot more merchandise and have a bigger inventory. There are certain items that customers ask for that no one else is selling that I know I could get at a good price if I had the money. With only having a small inventory of items, it seems like a vicious cycle that I can't get out of.
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heavenrse wrote:What's missing here is this:
I highly disagree with anyone who thinks a loan is a good idea. Once you start negative, you'll be backpaddling, but with higher numbers. And NO WAY should you play with your retirement.
The idea was to boost buying power, or come into a bit more money to buy more stock, in order to boost sales.
I understand your sentiments.
That was only a suggestion because when you repay the loan from a 401k you are paying yourself back with INTEREST!
SO a loan to expand is a BAD IDEA???? Hmmmm.... -
Is finding start up money equivalent to finding money?
They both are money. What's the different? -
giftshack wrote:heavenrse wrote:What's missing here is this:
I highly disagree with anyone who thinks a loan is a good idea. Once you start negative, you'll be backpaddling, but with higher numbers. And NO WAY should you play with your retirement.
The idea was to boost buying power, or come into a bit more money to buy more stock, in order to boost sales.
I understand your sentiments.
That was only a suggestion because when you repay the loan from a 401k you are paying yourself back with INTEREST!
SO a loan to expand is a BAD IDEA???? Hmmmm....
Was not meant to single you out Brian. Not at all. But with such a limited budget, I stick by my opinion. Add a loan repayment back into the overhead... Just not sure I'd recommend it. What if things don't go well? Then ALL profit goes to pay the higher overhead. -
Turning the thread around, does anyone have any ideas to generate more money?
I'm wondering that if you've been using the same suppliers for years, would they offer to lower your prices, or offer more merchandise to you on a consignment basis?
Perhaps let them know you sell out each time, and know for sure you could sell more if you had more in stock? -
pay2play wrote:I would be surprised if the merchandise is stolen. I was wondering about start-up money also. I want to try that book from Matthew lesko, the one about getting money free from the government, like grants...but I read alot of negative stuff about his book. Ofcourse you can go to the library and find it free and just copy the info you need. I want to get a website up, but I need alot of new stuff to do business and then all the money for website hosting and domain names...I just don't understand how these people who say they make money online are doing so when anyone can go to a pricewatch site and find it cheaper than most online stores and Ebay.
Pay2Play
My website costs me about $120/yr for hosting AND Domain name charges. I have 500mb of storage and I haven't really had any problems.
http://www.anhosting.com-they have different packages avail.
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To reply to this subject from the beginning.
No there's really no goverment or state granted money for small business. I found this out personally by going through S.C.O.R.E. The only way to get money to start a small business...like on the internet or flea market is to get a mico-loan or to finance it yourself.
There are however groups that will provide financing to certain individuals that fit a "certain" critiria. Like for instance, I am a single mother with three children trying to start my own business. I can go to various "clubs" in my state...ie Women For Indepenance and apply for a small grant, around $500.00-$1,000.00 to help with the cost of starting up my business.
Anyway...check with your local Chamber of Commerce and see what they can help you with. They are a great source, when it comes to small micro-loans and grants.
Best of luck to all....
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You might think this is funny, but it worked for me:
When I was 18 years old, i found myself in a rut with coming up with cash flow to start my business. I had 1 credit card with a $500 limit, had little credit anyways, and I lived at home, so i was not able to get a loan or convince investors to invest. So what I did was, I applied for the most expensive Bowflex model available (for about $2200) because they offered me one year same as cash no interest financing with a minimum monthly payment of $60. As soon as i received the Bowflex, I turned around and sold it for $2,000. Then I had $2,000 cash sitting in my bank account that i was able to work with.
My entire business took off solely because I had this cash to work with. Otherwise I would have failed. In one month's time, I doubled my money, and have since been doing very successfully, all because I trusted my gut instinct and went for what i knew would work.
Company's like Bowflex would approve a baby if they were aloud. This method is definately not for everyone, especially those who are not good with money, or disciplined in saving. When i deposited that $2,000 into my account i took a vow that I would only spend it if it was to make more money. That is what i did and it worked.
Its kind of funny if you think about it, but its an idea, and now i'm running two successful businesses because of it.
By the way, there are thousands of opportunities to make a ton of money, and if after 6 1/2 years of work, you only have $200 cash flow to show for it, than you definately are not in the right market. There are opportunities out there that you could retire from after 6 1/2 years, so i would SERIOUSLY consider moving to a different market, or dramatically changing your selling, spending, living practices and marketing techniques. I would not live off of something until it is securely on its feet bringing in substantial amounts of money to support yourself. I waited 3 months when i started my business to quit my job and work full time, which is actually a really short amount of time, but the investing and work i put into my business aloud it to grow to a point that i could do that. So, i would make sure you have enough room to grow before living off of your business. it sounds like you are not giving yourselves the room to grow because you cannot do much at all with $200.
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You might think this is funny, but it worked for me:
When I was 18 years old, i found myself in a rut with coming up with cash flow to start my business. I had 1 credit card with a $500 limit, had little credit anyways, and I lived at home, so i was not able to get a loan or convince investors to invest. So what I did was, I applied for the most expensive Bowflex model available (for about $2200) because they offered me one year same as cash no interest financing with a minimum monthly payment of $60. As soon as i received the Bowflex, I turned around and sold it for $2,000. Then I had $2,000 cash sitting in my bank account that i was able to work with.
My entire business took off solely because I had this cash to work with. Otherwise I would have failed. In one month's time, I doubled my money, and have since been doing very successfully, all because I trusted my gut instinct and went for what i knew would work.
Company's like Bowflex would approve a baby if they were aloud. This method is definately not for everyone, especially those who are not good with money, or disciplined in saving. When i deposited that $2,000 into my account i took a vow that I would only spend it if it was to make more money. That is what i did and it worked.
Its kind of funny if you think about it, but its an idea, and now i'm running two successful businesses because of it.
By the way, there are thousands of opportunities to make a ton of money, and if after 6 1/2 years of work, you only have $200 cash flow to show for it, than you definately are not in the right market. There are opportunities out there that you could retire from after 6 1/2 years, so i would SERIOUSLY consider moving to a different market, or dramatically changing your selling, spending, living practices and marketing techniques. I would not live off of something until it is securely on its feet bringing in substantial amounts of money to support yourself. I waited 3 months when i started my business to quit my job and work full time, which is actually a really short amount of time, but the investing and work i put into my business aloud it to grow to a point that i could do that. So, i would make sure you have enough room to grow before living off of your business. it sounds like you are not giving yourselves the room to grow because you cannot do much at all with $200.
I hope this helps! -
I started with nothing too, what I did is my old geo blew up after 221,000 miles of complete and utter torture! I took all the expensive parts and sold them, made 400 bucks in the end, reinvested that, reinvested agian, etc. Treat your money as investment, not a paycheck. If you don't save and spend wisely you will spend yourself out of biz really quick!

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There maybe another option if you work FULL TIME during the week.
If you have a 401k you can take a loan out sometimes. When you pay this loan back you pay it back with little interest and you are paying yourself back.
According to Suze Orman (check out her books on Amazon if you haven't read her work), this may be terrible advice.
You may think you're not losing anything since you're paying YOURSELF back in interest, but that's not true. You're losing the income tax you will have to pay on that money.
When you put money into a 401k plan, you are deferring the income tax you pay on it. That is, you are setting aside PRE-tax money. That's one of the perks of a 401k plan--you don't have to pay taxes on it until you withdraw from it at retirement.
When you take a loan from that 401k plan, you are using AFTER-tax money to repay it. That is, money that you have already paid income taxes on. Then, later when you reitre and withdraw money from the 401k, you have to pay taxes on it AGAIN. You are essentially be double-taxed on the same money.
So the interest that you have to pay to yourself isn't a big deal. Since you're just paying yourself, it's not like you're losing any money. But the income taxes you have to pay on the money you use to repay the loan IS a big deal. Because you're paying taxes on that part TWICE. -
If you have poor credit you might be able to get a secured loan. You will need collateral such as real estate though.
Otherwise you might consider selling off some personal items to come up with capital - you can always buy them again later on once you are in a better position. -
I have to disagree heavenerse.
The answer is that there really is no right or wrong way to invest in a business, whether for inventory or other stuff.
If you are a real risk taker with a solid plan 9as well as an exit strategy) a loan, 401K draw, credit card, etc are great ways to go. It takes a solid plan and dedicated work, though.
For the original poster's case, perhaps these would not be good methods to finance a biz because she/he already stated she has bad credit. even if a loan could be found, it is a question of whether one has the ability to use the money correctly (as well as have a plan). If you cannot manage money, this is a terrible risk ot take.
But by no means is it a silly way or wrong way to do things. most businesses are started on investment money/loans/credit card debt, etc. I personally started in business with a credit card. I had terrible enough debt, but since I paid my CC minimums all the time and never defaulted on payment, I had MEGA credit lines. So I took a risk. I am still in a little credit card debt (as well as student loan debt
) but it is all under control now, thanks to my ability (and luck to some extent) to manage the money and to make profits. -
I say if you can get a loan or use 401k to build up start up funds do it. As long as you have a good plan and know the market and products well it is worth doing. Anyone who wants to suceed is going to have to take smart risks. Should you take out a loan or use your 401k if you dont know what the hell you are doing and think you are going to get rich quick; and dont dedicate yourself to your job? NO!! its not an easy business, its a customer service job and that takes plenty of time out of your day. Be smart but be willing to take a risk is my motto.
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mimi37 wrote:My husband and I have been selling all new merchandise at flea markets for about 6 and a half years. I have lots and lots of sources for merchandise. My question is this: We usually only have about $200 or so to buy product at one time. I would like to be able to do this on a grander scale. Where does everyone get the money to buy so much inventory? I don't have good credit. So getting a loan or putting it on a credit card is not an option. I look at some of the vendors selling where we sell. Most of them have cars that look like they would fall apart if you touch them and they way they dress, they look like they don't have 2 pennies to rub together. Yet they have thousands of dollars in new merchandise and are selling alot every week. Where do they get the money?
Back to the posters original request.... I still stand by my opinion. Risking their retirement (if it's even an issue being self employed as they are) would not be wise in this case. JMO.
I also still think contacting current contacts for consignments, lower pricing, or setting aside a little at a time would be the way to go.
And on another note........
If the other vendors are doing so well, isn't it time to buy a car that looks a bit better than a junk heap? Perhaps they're not doing as well as the poster thinks...
Flea markets aren't the most solid selling mediums (are there any?) and it would be risky to "borrow". One wrong move might even mean closing up shop.
Too much teeters on overhead in this situation. This isn't a garage operation.
Where people are finding funds is the real question. Finding a partner? The bowflex idea is great! LOL (but still borrowing!)
Again, jmo.
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