Hi guys,
I was just scammed out of $711 from a company called PTngangkang in medan, indonesia. The contact person was Dimas Prayoga. Can anyone please email(or post) me the email of that INspector from singapore?, as that is where is company is registered (he told me yo send WU to his manager in indonesia). Also, how do you guys pay for your stuff?, is there anything secure out there?
BTW my email is motopsi1029@aol.com
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HELP, BEEN SCAMMED BY PT NGANGKANG
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Lesson number one: Never pay with WU even if it's your neighbor.
Lesson number two: Sorry to hear about your losses but why would you buy something from somebody before doing a research or reading the forums.
Lesson number three: You learn from your mistakes.
I'm sorry if it sounds mean or bashing but please do some research and reading before you purchase anything.
Thx
Gary -
Can't agree with you there on Number 1. I have sent western union many times to China for the sake of convenience. I now have wire transfer capabilities through my bank online -- but in the past, I had no time to go to the bank and wire money -- so I used westernunion.com to send money to my suppliers in China (who can't take paypal). I only used companies that I had references for though.
I also have customers from the Caribbean and other countries that Western Union money to me for orders. They have no credit cards and getting/mailing a money order would be just as expensive for them as using WU.
No matter how you pay, you have to be careful. I was screwed using paypal at one point -- I won the dispute but they were able to recover $0.00.
Do Your Research!
If it sounds too good to be true... IT IS.
Rich
gpdistribution wrote:Lesson number one: Never pay with WU even if it's your neighbor.
Lesson number two: Sorry to hear about your losses but why would you buy something from somebody before doing a research or reading the forums.
Lesson number three: You learn from your mistakes.
I'm sorry if it sounds mean or bashing but please do some research and reading before you purchase anything.
Thx
Gary -
Number 1 : I agree with you richspsxparts on the WU! Totally disagree with gpdistribution.
Number 2 : I don't think so you gpdistribution as a good CONSULTANT here.
Number 3 : You do your research first before Consult others.
Drego. -
Western Union has posted on the website:
Do not send money to people you do not know.
They will not get your money back.
Many people here use credit cards or escrow. If the supplier doesn't want to use one of these methods, maybe you should see that as a red flag. Just because someone on the internet sounds nice, does not mean they are!
As for research your supplier, yes. Check the website through one of the whois services. It is free. Does the registration match everything on the website? Are you only dealing with an email address? Worse yet, a free email address? -
This is funny.
Did you know what NGANGKANG means?
NGANGKANG = Spread your legs wide open..
Doesn't seems to looks like a legitimate business here. -
Did you know what NGANGKANG means?
NGANGKANG = Spread your legs wide open..
Looks like somebody has been screwed here.
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ArtBroker wrote:Western Union has posted on the website:
Do not send money to people you do not know.
They will not get your money back.
Many people here use credit cards or escrow. If the supplier doesn't want to use one of these methods, maybe you should see that as a red flag. Just because someone on the internet sounds nice, does not mean they are!
As for research your supplier, yes. Check the website through one of the whois services. It is free. Does the registration match everything on the website? Are you only dealing with an email address? Worse yet, a free email address?
Paypal never posted on their website any...but many negative cases on Paypal!!!!
I agree Artbroker many people use Credit cards or Escrow but not ALL!!! I think your statement on red flag I dont really agree, I have been dealing with few of my good suppliers using Western Union! DO I NEED TO RED FLAG THEM? There are some countries that they can't take out money from their PAYPAL account so do we need to RED FLAG Them as they can only accept Western Union or TT?
Sorry Artbroker I just talk facts.....maybe others frighten to comment when you post something even though it's a wrong ......Artbroker (Admin)
Each of us have their opinion & I personally think that if Artbroker writes something it's 100% true? no in my opinion...as Artbroker just an Admin & are the same like others in BIZ!....so Artbroker are not Consultant.
Artbroker no heart feelings ok! I'm only giving my point of view. -
Artbroker is right. As he said, even Western Union says not to pay anyone you don know. A lot of people get screwed through Western Union and Wires. Its been going on for a long time on eBay, "wholesalers", brokers,etc.
I dont understand why someone would get so defensive and snap at this advice. it is well documented that Western union is the choice payment method of scammers.
Now maybe YOU know your suppliers or are confident enough to do it, but that doesnt mean you should advise other people. I have even been in situations where I have been ripped off by someone who has delivered 4-5 times in the past and then eventually I end up losing my money and get no product-from a supplier I had reason to trust. So what gpdistribution said about "not even your neighbor" may be solid advice. Personally I would pay higher prices to use paypal, cc, and/or just pay a middleman in the US. -
Drego_Salvatore wrote:
Paypal never posted on their website any...but many negative cases on Paypal!!!!
Artbroker no heart feelings ok! I'm only giving my point of view.
Apparently you have never read PayPal's user agreement? But then this thread is not about you.phillyflip wrote:Hi guys,
I was just scammed out of $711 from a company called PTngangkang in medan, indonesia. The contact person was Dimas Prayoga. Can anyone please email(or post) me the email of that INspector from singapore?, as that is where is company is registered (he told me yo send WU to his manager in indonesia). Also, how do you guys pay for your stuff?, is there anything secure out there?
By all means keep your opinion Drego. I do not want to change it. But it has nothing to do with phillyflip who is out $711. -
I was also scammed from Indonesia. I contacted the FBI, Indonesian chief of police and everyone else that I could. I don't even think they recognize money scamming as a crime. The country is so corrupt and has so many problems. If I ever buy from there again, I will fly there and have the items in my hands. I went through probably 100 companies looking for a real one. Out of them I found 0 that were real! Some even answered their phones like a company. I later found out that it's very easy to get a disposable cell there.
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Oh yeah, Wholesalekid, you go fly over there and kick up som dust. Then someday I'll be eating a cup bowl of Libby's chunky soup and I'll run across one of your fingers or toes. Or read about you in he newspaper that you are some sort of espionage agent and are about to be caned. I think I will sit in my warm fuzzy chair in the good old USofA and take my chances from here, thank you! And face the fact that I'm just not going to be able to deal with those countries for reasons just like you stated.
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kornflique wrote:This is funny.
Did you know what NGANGKANG means?
NGANGKANG = Spread your legs wide open..
Doesn't seems to looks like a legitimate business here.
LOL
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That's gross.
Funny, but gross.
Rich
SCFieldsy wrote:Oh yeah, Wholesalekid, you go fly over there and kick up som dust. Then someday I'll be eating a cup bowl of Libby's chunky soup and I'll run across one of your fingers or toes. Or read about you in he newspaper that you are some sort of espionage agent and are about to be caned. I think I will sit in my warm fuzzy chair in the good old USofA and take my chances from here, thank you! And face the fact that I'm just not going to be able to deal with those countries for reasons just like you stated. -
My suppliers in China don't take credit cards. You can't have a paypal account in China... some companies out of China have an office and bank account in Hong Kong at which they can accept paypal. Some don't. It's been a gamble with them. I found a good supplier whose prices are higher than others in China, but they are the most reliable. I still have to wire them money to get my stuff tho.
For U.S. & Canadian Suppliers, I agree on the cc or paypal -- if they don't take either, be VERY weary. But if I bought the stuff I sell from U.S. suppliers, I wouldn't make a dime.
Rich
ArtBroker wrote:Western Union has posted on the website:
Do not send money to people you do not know.
They will not get your money back.
Many people here use credit cards or escrow. If the supplier doesn't want to use one of these methods, maybe you should see that as a red flag. Just because someone on the internet sounds nice, does not mean they are!
As for research your supplier, yes. Check the website through one of the whois services. It is free. Does the registration match everything on the website? Are you only dealing with an email address? Worse yet, a free email address? -
Take home message: Never do business with anyone who's name sounds
like or rhymes with a body part or form of sexually deviant misconduct
(in this case, "gangbang"). -
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