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Authentic Seven Jeans? Havana Flare? Pics Inside

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  1. viscosityclothing

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 19

    Hello everyone,

    Thanks for the great forum. I have an authenticity question about some Seven Havana Flare Jeans. I have checked out this website http://home.arcor.de/selzi1979/Homepage/Seven_Info.html , and although the website doesn't show this exact style, these jeans seem to look pretty good as far as I can tell. The website is in German, but I have run it through the online babelfish translation tool too see what they're saying. :lol: In my opinion, this website looks like a good resource. I suggest anyone planning on buying Seven jeans check it out.

    I'm looking for a second opinion. Do these look authentic to you? Here are a couple pics that I have of the actual jeans. Any opinions would be very much appreciated. Thanks for everything.

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    Josh Lundorff
    Owner
    Viscosity Clothing Company
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  2. sd4

    Joined: March 2004
    Posts: 23

    i have a store bought seven boot cut jeans from http://www.stylexchange.com/ cost me ~300$can, if anyone need pics i'll gladly post some pics.
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  3. viscosityclothing

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 19

    SD4,

    I would appreciate some pics of those jeans. It would help me a ton. If you have one of the tags and one of the back pockets, like I have posted above, that would be great. :lol:

    Thanks for the offer.

    Josh
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  4. designer_wholesale

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 42

    Seven Jeans stopped making Havana Flares about two months ago..

    The cut number for authentic Havana Flares is: 701419

    I would be very careful of anyone who was offering anything but a few leftover pair of Havana Flares, it would make no sense, to me at least, that anyone would have large qty's of Havana Flares anywhere as they are out of production. These were one of Seven's most popular jeans, even Nordstroms can not get more...

    According to the information I have, the only reason Seven stopped making them was they had too high a production cost on them. I believe the new Panama along with the new MWA wash flares are the replacements for them.

    Well thats my 4 cents worth.
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  5. neon

    Joined: January 2003
    Posts: 567

    sd4 wrote:i have a store bought seven boot cut jeans from http://www.stylexchange.com/ cost me ~300$can, if anyone need pics i'll gladly post some pics.


    Your kidding right!? I hope you mean $300 for 10 pairs. :oops:
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  6. sd4

    Joined: March 2004
    Posts: 23

    Here's the pics http://www.pbase.com/tek3245/inbox

    neon: i saw a lot of people rushing for the seven jeans in the store so i guess i went crazy too :) :oops:
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  7. downdogsales

    Joined: July 2004
    Posts: 11

    These look very real to me. I just spent 20 minutes at a local store here in Dallas looking at them with my wife. The tags look the same and so do the pants. Even though I did not see a pair as torn up as those in the pic. They also have the 7 on the metal buttons.
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  8. viscosityclothing

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 19

    Designer Wholesaler,

    The pics by SD4 have a different cut number than you posted. Do you think those are not authentic also, or really just a different cut? I see the ripping on the pockets is different? By the way, I appreciate everyones help with this. SD4, thanks for the pics. Thanks again. :wink:

    Josh
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  9. designer_wholesale

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 42

    ViscosityClothing wrote:Designer Wholesaler,

    The pics by SD4 have a different cut number than you posted. Do you think those are not authentic also, or really just a different cut? I see the ripping on the pockets is different? By the way, I appreciate everyones help with this. SD4, thanks for the pics. Thanks again. :wink:

    Josh


    As far as I know, Havana Flares only came in one cut,
    now I do not work for Seven Jeans nor do I have a
    Seven catalog, so it is possible they had more than
    one cut, I have just never seen it or heard of it.
    Whenever I deal in a new product I buy a control copy
    from the local Nordstroms etc... so when my product
    arrives I can verify it. My control copy of Havana Flare
    is cut # 701419, as were the Havana's I sold in the past.

    I find it a bit strange to see a new cut number when
    Seven stopped making these jeans a few months ago.

    My 4 cents worth, again. :D
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  10. designer_wholesale

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 42

    Image

    Look closely at the large 7, you will see it has some distinct features.

    Many of the fakes do not have these features.
    Such as the little trailing dash on the bottom
    right of the 7. There are several other features
    just in the seven that can help you spot the fakes.

    Hope that helps.
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  11. angrymanclothing

    Joined: May 2004
    Posts: 110

    So are SD4's fake? No trail on the seven.

    But they are store bought...?... I'm scratching on this one.

    Designer_Wholesale, you sound like you know what your talking about........but surely the store ain't selling fakes!?!

    Any chance you could share "the other" seven give aways?
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  12. designer_wholesale

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 42

    angrymanclothing wrote:So are SD4's fake? No trail on the seven.

    But they are store bought...?... I'm scratching on this one.

    Designer_Wholesale, you sound like you know what your talking about........but surely the store ain't selling fakes!?!

    Any chance you could share "the other" seven give aways?


    Stores get taken by fakes just like everyone else.
    If that photo came from a store bought pair of
    sevens... well, I do not know what to tell you.


    I would be happy to share the other things on the 7,
    it may be a bit hard to explain, but here goes..
    looking at the 7 again, look at the underside of the top
    of the 7, it should not be straight, but rather it should
    have a curve. Also look at the ink density of the 7,
    it is very solid, and distinct. Also on the top of the 7,
    look for the curve as it transitions to the vertical line,
    it should be a nice sweeping curve, not a sudden
    change, I have seen several fakes with this sudden change.

    Hope I was able to explain it ok.

    Jim
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  13. cynthiawl

    Joined: April 2004
    Posts: 11

    I own a pair of the Seven Havana Flare Jeans purchased directly by me about less than 2 weeks ago from the Saks on Fifth Ave in NY. The pair retails for $158. The style # is U076162U-162U and the cut # (which is also the Lot Ref #) is 702738. I have taken various pictures of the pair of jeans that I can e-mail to anyone if necessary.
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  14. designer_wholesale

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 42

    cynthiawl wrote:I own a pair of the Seven Havana Flare Jeans purchased directly by me about less than 2 weeks ago from the Saks on Fifth Ave in NY. The pair retails for $158. The style # is U076162U-162U and the cut # (which is also the Lot Ref #) is 702738. I have taken various pictures of the pair of jeans that I can e-mail to anyone if necessary.


    Hi, if that is the case then I stand corrected.. as I said before I have only ever seen one cut number with the Hanava flares and it did not make sense to me that there would be more than one.
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  15. ihateretail

    Joined: April 2004
    Posts: 243

    ViscosityClothing 702285
    Designer_Wholesale 701419
    cynthiawl 702738

    Apparently it seems as we are dealing with different cut numbers here.

    Here's a question. If the counterfeiters took the time to make nice quality replicas with exact detailing why would they overlook something so obvious as an unknown cut number?
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  16. gklam

    Joined: May 2004
    Posts: 93

    ViscosityClothing wrote:...
    I'm looking for a second opinion. Do these look authentic to you? Here are a couple pics that I have of the actual jeans. Any opinions would be very much appreciated. Thanks for everything.


    Please show some images about size tag and washing instructions. It should be sharp images.
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  17. cynthiawl

    Joined: April 2004
    Posts: 11

    Here are some pictures of my Havana Flares purchased directly from Saks. The pictures could be clearer but they were taken in haste. But I think you can get the idea.

    Image front

    Image back

    Image inside tags

    Image rip below the right side (when worn) front pocket

    Image fraying at the top of the right side back pocket

    Image back rip on the left side back pocket

    Image frayed bottom hem

    Image retails for $158 at Saks
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  18. neon

    Joined: January 2003
    Posts: 567

    Pleeeez say you did not pay more than $5 for these ripped up jeans!?
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  19. cynthiawl

    Joined: April 2004
    Posts: 11

    Pleeeez say you did not pay more than $5 for these ripped up jeans!?


    Lol...these pictures do the jeans no justice! The color/wash truly doesn't show well in these pictures. But I swear that these jeans are absolutely wonderful; they fit a person's figure very flatteringly (unlike the fake Seven jeans that stretch in all the wrong places and that are made of cheap denim material). I think it's ok to splurge every once in a while. And one of the particular reasons for me buying these jeans is that I initially came into Saks only to inspect the quality of the Seven jeans because I had felt that the shipment of jeans I had received of the Seven Pink A Pocket jeans (from a supplier who is a user on this board) were fake. I was correct that the jeans I received from him were indeed fake, and since I was in a horrible mood and wanted to show the supplier of the fake jeans proof that his jeans were faulty, I went ahead and bought these Seven Havana Flares in my size (Saks was sold out off the Pink A Pockets and I prefer the Havana Flares anyway since it is the more recent style made by Seven). My daughter also came along with me on the shopping trip so I had to buy her something as well...she ended up choosing to buy a Seven denim skirt that retailed for $150! :shock: This skirt comes up to just a little above the knee; therefore it is made of very much less material than the pair of jeans that I had bought for myself....in my opinion, the price difference for the skirt and the jeans should be much more than a mere $8!
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  20. blackcatcrazy

    Joined: August 2004
    Posts: 250

    So, what is a verdict? Is the Havana mentioned by the original poster fake or authentic? I am not just curious. Right now there are Havanas on eBay selling by lots. Seller swears they are authentic or money back. BTW, I like this seller. BUT I asked for pictures of actual jeans, and at least two of them are THE VERY SAME pictures that has been posted here. The cut number provided in the listing is different from one shown at the pictures, though.

    Julia
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  21. cynthiawl

    Joined: April 2004
    Posts: 11

    blackcatcrazy wrote:So, what is a verdict? Is the Havana mentioned by the original poster fake or authentic? I am not just curious. Right now there are Havanas on eBay selling by lots. Seller swears they are authentic or money back. BTW, I like this seller. BUT I asked for pictures of actual jeans, and at least two of them are THE VERY SAME pictures that has been posted here. The cut number provided in the listing is different from one shown at the pictures, though.

    Julia


    Julia,

    In my opinion, the pictures posted up by the original poster of this thread look like photos of an authentic pair of the Havana flares. His picture quality is actually much better than the pictures I have taken with my camera, and from his pictures the denim quality looks very good and looks like that of the pair that I own. Although the rip on the back pocket in his picture looks different from mine, that is natural because Seven distinctly states on the maroon swing tag that all rips/tear/destroyed marks, etc are distinct on each pair which makes them individually unique.

    Also, as for the Cut #, I am uncertain, but I think that the differences in cut # may just be because each cut # is designated for such and such retail store, dept store, distributor, etc. because the cut # on my pair of jeans also happens to be the same # as the lot ref #. So the cut # may just be an ID # for Seven to easily track shipments in the event of a recall or other concern of some sort on a particular production lot that is designated for so and so store, distributor, etc. Again, I am not quite sure about this, it is just my own speculation.

    To help determine if a pair of Seven jeans are authentic, I mentioned some ways that you can tell on the following post; just scroll around this thread for my posts:

    http://www.wholesale411.com/bbs/viewtop ... c&start=30

    Hope this can help you or anyone else in some way.
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  22. blackcatcrazy

    Joined: August 2004
    Posts: 250

    cynthiawl,

    Thank you for the tips! I just found out that the Havanas offered on eBay are not the jeans shown on the pictures. They supposedly have a COO, but is it an ironclad guarantee of authenticity?.. Given that Seven discontinued Havanas, and it was such a hot style, it looks like too many "leftovers" are floating around.
    I am still undecided about this lot. The seller guarantees a full refund if they are not authentic.

    Thanks again. I have your tips printed down; hope you do not mind.

    Julia
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  23. viscosityclothing

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 19

    The pictures that I posted at the beginning of this thread were sent to me by an E-bay member selling Sevens. He told me that these were the exact jeans that I would be receiving. If any of you have contacted this seller and he told you differently (like the jeans in the pictures aren't "exactly" what you will receive, I would be skeptical. Julia, is this the same seller you are talking about, or someone else. Also, I am learning very quickly in this business that even a certificate of authenticity or "papers" don't always = Authentic. They are the easiest part of an order to reproduce.

    Thanks again for the great exchange of information.

    Josh
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  24. zevenz

    Joined: August 2004
    Posts: 61

    Designer_Wholesale wrote:Seven Jeans stopped making Havana Flares about two months ago..

    The cut number for authentic Havana Flares is: 701419

    I would be very careful of anyone who was offering anything but a few leftover pair of Havana Flares, it would make no sense, to me at least, that anyone would have large qty's of Havana Flares anywhere as they are out of production. These were one of Seven's most popular jeans, even Nordstroms can not get more...

    According to the information I have, the only reason Seven stopped making them was they had too high a production cost on them. I believe the new Panama along with the new MWA wash flares are the replacements for them.

    Well thats my 4 cents worth.

    Jim,
    You are right .Seven has stopped production for seven havana flare jeans, but there are few hundreds left.
    By the way i am the guy who been selling them on ebay and those pictures posted ( ones with better quality) here belongs to me..
    As i said in my auctions my jeans are 100% authentic and come with certificate of origin.
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  25. zevenz

    Joined: August 2004
    Posts: 61

    blackcatcrazy wrote:So, what is a verdict? Is the Havana mentioned by the original poster fake or authentic? I am not just curious. Right now there are Havanas on eBay selling by lots. Seller swears they are authentic or money back. BTW, I like this seller. BUT I asked for pictures of actual jeans, and at least two of them are THE VERY SAME pictures that has been posted here. The cut number provided in the listing is different from one shown at the pictures, though.

    Julia

    Julia,
    Some of pics posted here belong to me and i am the seller who been selling them on eBay for few days.I can prove that these pics belong to me just ask me to take picture of any details of jeans and i will do that for you!
    My supplier secured seven havana flare jeans but they will be gone in 2 weeks if not 1.
    Good luck to everybody!
    Aleksandr
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  26. designer_wholesale

    Joined: June 2004
    Posts: 42

    Jim,
    You are right .Seven has stopped production for seven havana flare jeans, but there are few hundreds left.
    By the way i am the guy who been selling them on ebay and those pictures posted ( ones with better quality) here belongs to me..
    As i said in my auctions my jeans are 100% authentic and come with certificate of origin.[/quote]

    Alex, glad you were able to find authentic Havana's, I am sure you will do well with them on eBay. They are hot sellers thats for sure.

    Jim
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  27. Anonymous


    Posts: 155

    Dear Seven Jean professionals please help me out.

    I would like to verify the information that I have just put up on my website. I hope that it will enable people to determine the authenticity of their Seven jeans.

    http://www.FakeSeven.com

    Please drop me a note if there is anything that needs to be updated. And please email me if someone has good pictures of fake havanna's vs. real havannas. I am also searching to purchase some authentic Sevens, please contact me if you can help me with this. Thank you so very much. Have a great day.

    David Craige
    CavidDraige@earthlink.net
    http://www.#######.com
    http://www.FakeSeven.com
    .
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  28. blackcatcrazy

    Joined: August 2004
    Posts: 250

    zevenz wrote:Julia,
    Some of pics posted here belong to me and i am the seller who been selling them on eBay for few days.I can prove that these pics belong to me just ask me to take picture of any details of jeans and i will do that for you!
    My supplier secured seven havana flare jeans but they will be gone in 2 weeks if not 1.
    Good luck to everybody!
    Aleksandr



    Nice to meet you here, Alex. I had some questions with regard to the pics, cut numbers etc, and you got them answered satisfactorily in your email.
    I have managed to miss that lot of yours, though. Hope to deal with you in the future.

    Julia
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  29. ihateretail

    Joined: April 2004
    Posts: 243

    Hey Honest Dave you are making it difficult for the crooks to make a decent living. All the power to you! :wink:
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  30. bjm0828

    Joined: August 2004
    Posts: 1

    FYI - I called L'Koral Industries, who is the manufacturer of Seven Jeans, and they said that the little notch jutting out on the right side bottom does not appear on all styles. He was looking at a few pairs while we were talking and verified that no notch is not necessarily an indicator of fakes. He also said you can tell fakes by the wash, buttons, and care labels, which are all significantly different than the originals.

    What got me to call them was the fact that I went to Macy's to check out the Sevens and noticed that some had the notch and some didn't. So I went to the source for verification. Just thought I would share this info.

    :lol:
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