http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795 goWholesale Forums Topic: VERO cancelled abercrombie auctions en-US Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:41:14 +0000 bbpress 1.0-alpha-5 q http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/search.php http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-77893 Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:58:21 +0000 adgccloseouts 77893@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ I always use my own pictures with a camera that is about 5 years old and my photogrpahy skill is not that great, but empasize that my pics are of the actual item, i have it in my possession and that i personally ship it as fast as heck. i never seem to have the problem of getting lower bids than the illegal pictures. I think I have the trust that I use real pictures and dont try to make them look the best or use pictures of busty models or tight jean a$$ pics. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-77835 Fri, 30 Sep 2005 05:20:16 +0000 scfieldsy 77835@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ Yes, I agree, I've noticed the same that the copyrighted pics bring more bids. But I also think it's an easy way to get yourself on their radar, and once you get verod you definitely make a list. We've been verod by the same company before without suspension but we are powersellers so there may be a little leniency there. And The second one comes really fast! I never go for the third strike though - that's probably pushing it!! <br /> <br />As for taking them to court, if I was 100% sure my items were authentic I'd do it. But the fact is, I'm not sure you EVER can be that sure, even from supposedly legitimate sources like department stores. My items nowadays have proper paperwork, tags, etc. and the quality is indistinguishable from what the dept stores carry, but that only brings my confidence level up to 90%. I didn't use to worry about this, which brings us to the von Dutch story: <br /> <br />This was actually quite comical (though not at the time). Several years ago, it never occurred to me someone would pass off a replica as genuine! I mean, that's lying! So our first hats were definitely not real as we noticed improper stitching technique - just above the visor where there should be none. So we tried to sell them anyway. Von Dutch must have noticed that too in our pics and verod everyone selling hats with this stitching. So I went to their vero web page and they had listed a bunch of company names. I thought "that's nice, their helping us find authentic suppliers of their mercandise" so I ordered from one of htese companies. Then I e-mailed them, told them where I purchased the hats, and asked them not to vero me again. Well, they did. Immediately! They must have had quite a laugh. Turns out that I misread their vero page and they were pointing out known suppliers carrying FAKE merchandise. <img src="./images/smilies/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /> (I see now that they no longer have this on their about me page). http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-77806 Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:19:34 +0000 danwis 77806@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ In response to why wouldn't you take your own pics- <br />The problem with Abercrombie is that the majority of sellers still seem to use their copyrighted pics, which often make the items look much better. The auctions that use those pics, always seem to bring higher prices (I know becuase I used to do both, until I got vero'd when they clamped down a few months ago. I haven't heard of many vero's from abercrombie lately, but there is no way I will use their photos again, as 2 vero's from the same member and you get suspended. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-77794 Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:28:15 +0000 blackcatcrazy 77794@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ If your Von Dutch was authentic you could take them to the Court. In such cases brands prefer to settle. Tabberone sued quite a few of them Von Dutch included, and no one actually went to the Court. Expenses for filing a lawsuit would be reimbursed. I suppose a powerseller would have a few hundred in the pocket to put them down. If more of us fight back, maybe VERO would be a bit more tolerable. <br /> <br />Julia http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-77791 Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:54:59 +0000 scfieldsy 77791@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ Hi, <br /> <br />I guess I odn't understand why if you have the merchandise you wouldn't take your own pictures. First thing we did was buy a manniken (sp?) and display the actual item. But I guess that's just us. <br /> <br />As for the seemingly random targeting of Vero, I'm fairly sur that eBay compeitiors are the ones that write the franchiser to tell them a certain seller is selling fakes. At least, htat's what happened to us. We entered te Von Dutch hat market awhile ago and were immediately singeld out for removal (our first Vero). We used the same pix as everyone else, etc. But we WERE underpricing everyone which I'm sre pissed them off. Plus, we're power sellers, and most of them were not. So I think it had to be another seller, because it happened REALLY fast. <br /> <br />And as for the speeding reference, a more real situation is that you are going 55 in a 55 and they pull you over ansd ticket you for going 65. A lot of people are being Verod (and some even removed from ebay) for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. And that's the point. <br />Replica sellers deserve what they get. But Vero removes the innocent as well. It's quite un-Constitutional. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-76741 Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:40:30 +0000 nukenorman 76741@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ Same thing happend to me we should just screw ebay and have them go out of bussines http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72600 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:47:55 +0000 bkenn01 72600@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ I see lots of people using the same pictures of the shirts and jeans that do not have models, basically just of the product. Are those type pictures what cause the auctions to be pulled or is it live model pictures? http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72585 Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:18:57 +0000 fulltimeebaygirl 72585@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ <blockquote><div><cite>All Fen Tik wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Feye wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>alist_fashions wrote:</cite>They usually don't care if people use their photos but sometimes they like to target certain people, they do it to me from time to time, it's like the company wants to bother someone so they try to find a way to do it. Their pictures aren't copywritten from what I believe </div></blockquote><br /><br />Till now, A&amp;F don`t care, but other times come. If you don`t have an A&amp;F agreement for the pictures you are not allowed to use it, there is a regular copyright on pictures.</div></blockquote><br /><br />Hi Guys,<br /><br />This may be true at eBay USA however with Abercrombie planning to open stores in Europe in 2006 I think they will want all the sales/promotion exposure that they can get to sell their name in Europe before they open their outlets (as they not as well known in Europe as in the US) so its the eBayers/Suppliers/Wholesalers that are promoting there name for them right now in UK/Europe and getting the public used to there brand name, which to be honest would have taken a lot longer if it wasnt for places such as eBay or even these type of forums.......<br /><br />So dont think we will be seeing A&amp;F using Vero on the European eBay sites just yet it would be a bad business move for them to waste all that FREE promotional power.<br /><br />A&amp;F will save fortunes on advertising:-)</div></blockquote> <br /> <br />Ebay UK's Vero is the one who shut down my auctions so your theory is off a bit. Sorry. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72458 Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:41:31 +0000 all fen tik 72458@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ <blockquote><div><cite>Feye wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>alist_fashions wrote:</cite>They usually don't care if people use their photos but sometimes they like to target certain people, they do it to me from time to time, it's like the company wants to bother someone so they try to find a way to do it. Their pictures aren't copywritten from what I believe </div></blockquote><br /><br />Till now, A&amp;F don`t care, but other times come. If you don`t have an A&amp;F agreement for the pictures you are not allowed to use it, there is a regular copyright on pictures.</div></blockquote> <br /> <br />Hi Guys, <br /> <br />This may be true at eBay USA however with Abercrombie planning to open stores in Europe in 2006 I think they will want all the sales/promotion exposure that they can get to sell their name in Europe before they open their outlets (as they not as well known in Europe as in the US) so its the eBayers/Suppliers/Wholesalers that are promoting there name for them right now in UK/Europe and getting the public used to there brand name, which to be honest would have taken a lot longer if it wasnt for places such as eBay or even these type of forums....... <br /> <br />So dont think we will be seeing A&amp;F using Vero on the European eBay sites just yet it would be a bad business move for them to waste all that FREE promotional power. <br /> <br />A&amp;F will save fortunes on advertising:-) http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72432 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:08:25 +0000 alist_fashions 72432@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ Contact them BEFORE relisting. I have gone through this. Vero threatened me suspension if I relist and they were serious about it. Make good with the company first then relist, if they don't answer you back, then email vero, they are helpful there. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72388 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:48:55 +0000 feye 72388@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ I would relist the item, with my own pictures on the same account. But before that I would give A&amp;F a notice that:.......... <br /> <br /><span style="text-decoration: underline">I´m sorry for my mistake.....will not do again.....didn`t know that I used copyright pictures....will use my own pictures in the future..will not use the A&amp;F trademark logo for any of my auctions etc...</span> http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72382 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:49:14 +0000 nocturnal 72382@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ Is the user id still under your name or does it come under the same address as the user id that received the VERO? <br /> <br />If yes tread with care. Personally if the 2 id's can be linked then I would not relist. <br /> <br />Your best bet is to list them under a friends or different family members id and take the necessary steps to try and reduce the risk of receiving another VERo notice. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72380 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:11:59 +0000 fulltimeebaygirl 72380@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ I understand. But now, will I get in trouble if I relist the items on another ID without their photos? I don't want anymore problems with A&amp;F and don't want to get all of my accounts suspended, but I do want to get rid of my merchandise. What would you do? http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72365 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:30:04 +0000 feye 72365@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ <blockquote><div><cite>FullTimeEbayGirl wrote:</cite>P.S. If Abercrombie is so worried about people using their photos, why don't they make their website so you can't right click &amp; do save as on their pics! Most higher end clothing companies have their websites set up that way. Seems like a logical answer to the problem to me. <img src="./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /> <img src="./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /></div></blockquote> <br /> <br />There many ways, to get the pictures of right desabled sites. If you want to know, pm me, I don`t want to take this important tread to OT. <br /> <br />I think, they vero the auctions with their pictures, cause its just a reason. They really don`t care if you use their pictures, the just need a reason to cancel the listenings. And a picture is a good way for them. <br />Another point is, when the remove the listenings with A&amp;F Fotos (and btw. you may also not allowed to use their Logo) you have to make pictures yourself. And sometimes a picture says more than 1000 words <img src="./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" title="Smile" /> http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72350 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:04:08 +0000 fulltimeebaygirl 72350@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ <blockquote><div><cite>alist_fashions wrote:</cite>I agree, you guys should contact them, I think that they are being petty and they are trying to make it difficult for you b/c the less you sell the more they sell, at least that's how they see it. I had the issue with the 7 jeans, they weren't counterfeit and they didn't use that as their excuse, they actually gave me no reason, and they only pulled half of my listings, not all which I thought was odd. I didn't use stock photos, I used my own too. I ended up having to put them up little by little so be aware that if they do that to you, doing it that way will be the way to get them sold. Once they have you blacklisted they watch you like hawks.</div></blockquote> <br /> <br />How can they take your 7 auctions down if you didn't do anything technically wrong? You didn't use their photos and they were authentic? I am beginning to hate VERO. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72343 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:06:50 +0000 fulltimeebaygirl 72343@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ P.S. If Abercrombie is so worried about people using their photos, why don't they make their website so you can't right click &amp; do save as on their pics! Most higher end clothing companies have their websites set up that way. Seems like a logical answer to the problem to me. <img src="./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /> <img src="./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /> http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72342 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:02:22 +0000 fulltimeebaygirl 72342@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ I'm scared to relist my Abercrombie stuff at all, even WITH my own photos, because they always threaten to revoke my Ebay account. Would it be safer for me to relist these items with my own pics under another Ebay ID? I am scared to relist at all but don't want to eat the money either. What would you do? http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72172 Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:25:22 +0000 alist_fashions 72172@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ Jabbu, your metaphor was ver interesting, so interesting that it was much like the one that Jack from Vero used when writing me, he told me that if everyone was speeding and I got pulled over, I just happened to be the unlucky one and that's it. Not in those words, but anyhow, I would not rat out another seller, it's kind of like the thing you DON'T do to other sellers on ebay and I know this I mind mine and you mind yours, but my point was not that I would rat on them, it was that they are pinpointing me for nothing b/c I had authentic items that I could no longer list where others have pics up of items and it is noticable in the pics that they are fake and they come after me? What is that about, it's ridiculous and not fair at all and I don't have the time to sue anyone, but I will try to fight it as much as I can. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72167 Sat, 11 Jun 2005 12:31:57 +0000 naru 72167@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ I get that. And I know who Tabberone is. But the point is...who is going to take all those steps? I certainly dont have the time or the will to pursue that avenue. Most on ebay dont either. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72140 Sat, 11 Jun 2005 05:40:25 +0000 labuzan 72140@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ If your items were authentic and you weren't allowed to sell them on ebay, you can always sue the trademark holder. Tabberone has sued about a dozen different trademark holders that tried to VERO her auctions. I believe she has won 10 of them and has 2 still pending. <br /> <br />If the items are authentic the trademark holder can't stop you from selling. They don't have to give you a letter of authorization, but they can't VERO you either. If they do VERO you for selling authentic goods, they are committing a tort of business interference. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72120 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:21:49 +0000 naru 72120@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ As a Power Seller who has been suspended for life on ebay for various reasons, I can tell you my personal experience with VeRO. Take it for what it's worth. I sold fake Juicy's on ebay. After awhile, I got VeRO'd by Liz Claiborne. Their legal dept called me personally on my home phone, in fact. <br /> <br />Anyway, ebay told me that the only way for me to sell Juicys again on ebay was to get a letter of authorization from Liz Claiborne and fax that to ebay. To make story short, I had access to authentic Juicy's and I wrote Liz Claiborne to send me a letter of authorization if I provided them with all the paper work they wanted/needed. I did not mention that I had VeRO problem with ebay. I told them that I had heard about VeRO program and that I did not want to invest any money unless I could be sure I can sell on ebay. Liz Claiborne said "NO". They just did not care or want to hear it. Authentic or not, paper work or not, they didn't care. In fact, ebay told me that even if I bought it from Neiman Marcus and had recipt to prove it, I STILL could not sell on ebay because I did not have that letter from LC. It seemed to me that it was not a matter of authenticity but a matter of competition (against their authorized dealers) and bad image. And ebay is not going to go to bat for you because they would rather !@#$ off a little seller than !@#$ off LC and have them sue ebay. Lot more thoughts...but that is just one of my personal experience with ebay VeRO. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72113 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:57:42 +0000 danwis 72113@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ as far as my items being authentic, yes they are. Most of the abercrobmie items vero'd were ones I bought at the abercrombie outlet myself. Unfortunatlely I was too lazy to take a picture myself and just searched for a picture instead. Lesson learned... always use your own pictures!! http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72111 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:41:50 +0000 danwis 72111@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ They definately have me on some list now! I just got 2 ralph lauren items vero'd. I have been selling them for 6 months with no problems. A very small picture that I forgot I had in the auction was their photo. I have over 100 items up right now and these were the 2 they found and vero'd right away. I thought I had gone through all my auctions to be sure none of them had photos that I did not take. Again, they left alone the auctions that had my own pictures on them. But now I am being watched by abercrombie and ralph lauren. All I can say to anyone out there still using stock photos is to watch out, because if they catch you once, they must report you to other designers right away. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72084 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:32:42 +0000 jabbu 72084@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ So your driving down the road and a speeder goes past you doing 100mph, 5 miles up the road you get busted for doing 85 in a 55. Are you going to tell the cop a guy just passed doing 100mph and expect him to let you go? <br /> <br />You are breaking the law, period, using A&amp;F logos, photos, designs, etc... <br /> <br />Suck it up, stop pointing fingers at other sellers far outweighing your already illegal activity. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72080 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:54:14 +0000 alist_fashions 72080@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ your not alone, I have had 3 companies go after me already! I had 7FAM jeans go after me, but I had 18 auctions up and they only cancelled 9 of them, the ones that had ended and people paid for already. They didn't give me a reason why, my items are real, I don't get it, then I had evisu which I found that one shirt was fake, I wasn't aware b/c it was the first time I tried to sell evisu so I understood, then evisu again with an authentic item, then just the other day True Religion! That was the last straw for me b/c the TR jeans that I have ARE real and I used pics from sites but not their site and I noticed that other sellers used the same pics and didn't get booted. It seems to me as though there is a blacklist or something b/c it's non stop. Now I got stuck with the TR jeans and have to find where to sell them. I had 12 but I sold 5 wholesale for not much more than I paid and then I am left with 7, I listed them on ioffer, I figured it was my only choice, hopefully they will sell. I did email vero b/c last time I dealt with them they threatened suspension. I told them that I tried to contact the manufacturers for all of the items to get more insight and got no response and I can't rectify the situation unless they get back to me, now I am pending suspension and it scares me b/c I can't afford that, this is my bread and butter! I gave Vero a piece of my mind telling them that I felt as though I was targeted and for this to keep happening to me means there must be a blacklist that my name is on the top of and I want to stop going through it. Haven't heard back yet though. I also told them that there are plenty of sellers who blatenly sell bootleg items and what not and they don't get hit, they keep selling and it isn't fair. Maybe you should email vero and see what they say, last time I talked to Chase in vero and he was very nice and understanding and as far as those items, you might as well forget about selling them on ebay b/c they will suspend you for it so stick them on here or on ioffer or something. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72063 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:30:16 +0000 fulltimeebaygirl 72063@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ <blockquote><div><cite>danwis wrote:</cite>It's very frustrating, especially when it feels like they are picking on you and leaving thousands of other auctions going. I see lots of abercrombie auctions using not only their photos, but logos and model pictures taken directly from their website! I am not even that big in abercrombie, so I am surprised they picked on me. It does make me think someone must have reported me to abercrombie or something. Now I don't know what to do with all the abercrombie stuff I have and am scared to list.</div></blockquote> <br /> <br />Me too, I only usually had 5-10 AF auctions going, and there are sellers with 50-100 items out there. Why me? <img src="./images/smilies/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /> http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72022 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:27:45 +0000 nocturnal 72022@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ Are you selling current or past season Abercrombie? What has been targeted? <br /> <br />Are you confident in the authenticity of the items? http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72003 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:30:12 +0000 danwis 72003@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ It's very frustrating, especially when it feels like they are picking on you and leaving thousands of other auctions going. I see lots of abercrombie auctions using not only their photos, but logos and model pictures taken directly from their website! I am not even that big in abercrombie, so I am surprised they picked on me. It does make me think someone must have reported me to abercrombie or something. Now I don't know what to do with all the abercrombie stuff I have and am scared to list. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-72001 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:20:32 +0000 alist_fashions 72001@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ It's not just AF it's a few different ones, and from what I see they target certain people and then you kind of get blacklisted and your items are the first ones that all of the reps go to, I am going through it now, they cancelled 18 of my auctions again and I believe I may be suspended. This time for pics, this is ridiculous, they are telling me to NOT relist AT ALL!!!! So I can't sell the 18 items that I have, I am stuck, I can't stand it anymore. http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/topic/20795#post-71976 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:01:14 +0000 fulltimeebaygirl 71976@http://www.gowholesale.com/forums/ Same thing happened to me with selling AF jeans - it seems they are targeting some sellers but not all. I took a chance and relisted mine and haven't had another problem. I try not to use all stock photos though.